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12/12 : Evan Grae Davis
11/21 : Mark Umbreit: Restorative Justice: Facilitating Dialogue Between Victims of Homicide and the Offenders
Restorative Justice and Healing the Trauma Tiger
Segment 1: Restorative Justice, Defined.
Our guest on this edition of The Doug Noll Show we have the honor of speaking with Dr. Mark Umbreit, Professor and founding Director of the Center for Restorative Justice & Peacemaking at the University of Minnesota, School of Social Work. Dr. Umbreit is an internationally recognized practitioner and scholar with more than 40 years of experience as a mediator, peacemaker, trainer, teacher and researcher. Has is the author of eight books and more than 200 other publications in the fields of restorative justice, mediation, spirituality, forgiveness, and peacemaking.
Dr. Umbreit defines restorative justice as a process as one which focuses on harm done and involves the people most affected by the harm in the response. It’s about offender accountability, victim assistance and support, and community involvement. True restorative justice is a victim-centered movement. It is also rooted in deep traditional and indigenous and spiritual practices.
Segment 2: A Good Track Record.
Dr. Umbreit says the restorative justice empirical research trajectory is quite good. He has been involved with several meta-analysis with samples as large as 9,000+ that found significant reduction in crime by offenders, positive data regarding serving victims, and satisfaction with entire process. In fact, there is more empirical evidence to validate the core principles of restorative justice – particularly the dialogue practices – then there are for most of our criminal justice programs (which are not examined thoroughly).
Back in the 1980s there were zero states that had an administrative protocol that allowed victims of severe violence to meet their offenders. Now, 27 states have procedures to allow that process. Victims of severe violence have far more trauma, loss, and grief than other types of victims. They usually have the need to get answers and express their pain to the person who caused their loss.
Segment 3: Taming the Tiger of Fear and Trauma.
Restorative justice at its core is simple: it’s about treating people with respect and honoring humanity. Dr. Umbreit’s latest book, Dancing with the Energy of Conflict and Trauma: Letting Go – Finding Peace, outlines struggles with conflict and traumatic events in the form of true stories. He has been blessed to learn from a wide range of people over the years --- people who would normally be labeled as trauma sufferers or wounded --- have been his greatest teachers and heroes. Trauma shakes up your perception of life and the world. This book is about taming the tiger of fear and working with it. At the end of the book there are tools to help heal and deal with trauma.
Segment 4: The Forgiveness Agenda.
Restorative justice is an expression of a deep sense of spirituality. To say Dr. Umbreit honors the wisdom and the teachings of Jesus doesn’t cancel out the wisdom and teachings of Mohammed or Buddha. Restorative justice has affected the way he views and understands the world, how he relates to the community, the way he interacts with his wife and kids. Dr. Umbreit says incredible things can occur when we humble ourselves and be mindful of not pushing an agenda of forgiveness on others. We need to recognize that people have a right to be angry and give them time to work through the emotion instead of dismissing or denying it. To find out more about Dr. Umbreit’s important work, visit http://www.cehd.umn.edu/ssw/RJP/.
Tags: Dr. Mark Umbreit, conflict resolution, restorative justice, peacemaking, victim of violence, offender, forgiveness, trauma, center for restorative justice and peacemaking
11/14 : Alma Abdul-Hadi Jadallah, kommon denominator, protractive conflict, yemen, Syria, conflict resolution, peacemaking, international peace
Yemen, Protractive Conflicts, and Facilitating National Dialogue
Segment 1: Traversing Protractive Conflicts.
On this edition of The Doug Noll show we are speaking with Dr. Alma Abdul-Hadi Jadallah, President and Managing Director of Kommon Denominator (http://kommondenominator.com/), an award-winning woman owned firm dedicated to helping government, corporate, and community clients successfully navigate conflict and cultural. Dr. Abdul-Hadi Jadallah became interested in conflict resolution when she went back to school after raising a family. Additionally, moving to the U.S. and interacting in a multi-cultural society drew her attention to many issues: how people come together, how they interact, what kind of issues they are facing.
Protractive conflicts are characterized as conflicts that are stubborn and continue to happen. Their roots are usually in communities and between different ethnic groups. Yemen is an example of a protractive conflict. It is an internal conflict, primarily ethnic-driven, about the distribution of wealth, equality, the North vs the South, and corruption. There is a lot of violence.
Segment 2: A National Dialogue.
Dr. Abdul-Hadi Jadallah was invited with other experts to go to Yemen and help begin the process of peacemaking with the goal of designing and implementing a national dialogue. They brought in an international committee and started by thinking about what was needed to build a nation on equal rights and equitable resources. What kind of model should they follow? They put together nine working groups that looked at every facet of building a nation state. They mapped the groups and invited delegates to participate. Dr. Abdul-Hadi Jadallah found that this experience proved that dialog can always facilitate difficult conversation, particularly if there are good intentions and good will.
Segment 3: A Different Paradigm.
Dr. Abdul-Hadi Jadallah teaches courses on culture conflict and diversity to Masters and PhD students. She educates the students by giving them tools to analyze conflict, identify conflict, categorize conflict, design a process, and conduct an assessment. Her students see the value of understanding conflict analysis in their day-to-day lives and in the corporate world.
It takes time and effort to resolve a problem, which is a different paradigm. It takes a lot of introspection. Even the most innocent parties of the conflict play a role. Maybe they contributed to the escalation, or were too passive, or didn’t speak up. Additionally, it’s hard for the perpetrator to actually admit they had a role in hurting the other person.
Even though peacemaking is well-intended, it can be taxing at times, both for the mediator and the parties involved. You see parts of you in them, and they see parts of them in you, which is difficult. It’s also hard to evaluate the results, although Dr. Abdul-Hadi Jadallah stresses what an opportunity it is to be able to sit across the table from the other side and start a dialogue. At the end of the day, the conflict is not the peacemaker’s conflict. The peacemaker merely creates a safe environment and a process to begin the conversation. To find out more about Dr. Alma Abdul-Hadi Jadallah and Kommon Deminator, visit http://kommondenominator.com/.
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10/24 : Plenty of Room for Peacemakers: View from the Middle of the Road: A Mediator’s Perspective on Life, Conflict and Human Interaction - Jan Frankel Schau
Plenty of Room for Peacemakers
Segment 1: It’s Not All About the Fight.
Mediation is a process by which a neutral party helps people in conflict resolve their issues and move forward in peace. To speak about mediation and how it is used within the legal system we are interviewing Jan Frankel Schau, of Schau Mediation on this edition of The Doug Noll Show. Jan has over 20 years of experience as a litigator, and is also a public speaker, an author, and a mediator (http://schaumediation.com/).
Jan was always drawn to the drama and the narrative of law. Her involvement in mediation happened by accident, when she took a class for continuing education units. She soon discovered that mediation is different in the sense that it has two sides of the story, and the other side might have merit if you dig deep enough. She found with mediation that she didn’t have to be so narrow-minded or laser-focused on whomever had hired her as a lawyer. With mediation, it’s not all about the fight and the win; it’s about solving problems and moving forward.
Segment 2: A Heart Shift.
As Jan dove deeper into mediation she had what she calls a “heart shift” from fight and defend to “let’s work it out.” At that point she knew she was no longer an effective advocate, except for peace and conflict resolution. She didn’t have the fight in her belly anymore.
Lawyers who haven’t been property trained in mediation tend to cram human conflict into a narrow box of legal rights and remedies and processes and procedures, which strips away what makes people human. Mediators have an acceptance of the fact that there can be two truths. Instead of a YES BUT, it could be a YES AND. And out of those two stories emerge a new story of hope and peace.
Segment 3: Middle of the Road.
Jan’s newest book is titled View from the Middle of the Road: A Mediator’s Perspective on Life, Conflict and Human Interaction. It started as a personal self-reflection activity, and turned into a book of real stories with fictionalized characters, plus proven tools and rules for mediators and lawyers. To find out more about Jan’s book, visit http://viewfromthemiddleoftheroad.com/.
Segment 4: Plenty of Room for Peacemakers.
Unfortunately, Jan thinks mediation is a concept that hasn’t quite permeated society yet, although she is seeing more and more innovative programs developed by people with skills in negotiation and conflict resolution. The services are extremely valuable but it’s difficult to get the word out that they are available. She reminds us that it’s important to pull yourself back as a mediator and really listen to your clients. The mediator essentially has two missions: to come to an agreement, and to acknowledge the human side of the conflict. Jan believes there is plenty of room for peacemakers within the context of law. Practicing law is not the only way to help people with their law issues. Visit http://schaumediation.com/ for more information about Jan and her services.
Tags: Jan Schau, mediation, mediator, lawyers, lawsuits, conflict resolution, peacemaking, negotiation
10/10 : Human Sex Trafficking - Elizabeth Olagunju
Human Trafficking: An Epidemic
Segment 1: Its a Global Problem.
Human trafficking is essentially modern day slaving. The FBI says its the fastest growing organized crime of our time, as there are over 800,000 victims of sex trafficking in the United States alone. To speak with us about human and sex trafficking on this edition of The Doug Noll Show we have Elizabeth Olagunju.
Elizabeth became interested in human trafficking from hearing stories from her mother, who at the age of 10 was forced out of the house to live with a stranger for many years. She was taken by force, labored 24 hours a day as a child, and never had a chance to go to school and get an education.
Throughout Elizabeths life, her mother would tell her stories about what she went through: living in a strange place, looking for food in the trash. Elizabeth grew up and began to research forced labor, and discovered more and more similar stories.
She found that human trafficking is a global problem, an America happens to be the destination for many of these people who are torn away from their home with promises of money, education and a better life.
Segment 2: The False Promise of Hope.
So how can we know if there are people who are victims of human trafficking around us? Elizabeth says that law enforcement encourages us to be alert. When you see a girl or a woman going with another person and not being able to look up, ask yourself, What are the dynamics of that relationship? Is that person living in fear? Victims always feel attacked to their captors.
The captors are very threatening. Interesting fact: it has been documented that during the Super Bowl is when the most human trafficking happens. It thrives on big events in large cities. Trafficking is more prominent in urban areas than rural communities, because of the anonymity factor. Perpetrators take advantage of the situation.
We must be alert --- pay attention to how a suspected victim acts.Families can be induced to allow their children to go with a stranger simply because of deep poverty. They are given the false promise of hope. Hope for a job, an education and a better life. There is desperation, and so they go along with the promises.
Segment 3: Love It Is.
Elizabeth has written a book titled Love It Is. It is the story about how one persons willingness to connect can widen the circle of love for others to overcome difference, ignorance and ultimately give hope to the world desperately looking for love. You can find Elizabeths book on Amazon.com.
Segment 4: www.humantrafficking.org.
To learn about human trafficking and become more involved, Elizabeth suggests visiting www.humantrafficking.org. This is an excellent website that gives comprehensive information about what the U.S. and the U.N. are doing about this global problem. It outlines the new laws and acts regarding human trafficking.
We need to be alert wherever we are, and show a level of understanding to the victims. The good news is that the US government is doing a lot to make sure that girls and women are being helped instead of being punished.