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Doug Noll, Lawyer turned Peacemaker, is a full time peacemaker and mediator specializing in difficult, complex, and intractable conflicts.
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03/06 : 03/06/14 PTSD Insights from a Vietnam Era Nurse
02/20 : 02/20/14 Rebecca Zung and Chris Lombardo
02/06 : Women Under Fire: Abuse in the Military - Sarah Blum
Segment 1: Hearing Their Stories.
On this edition of The Doug Noll Show we have the pleasure of speaking with Sarah Blum. Sarah is a decorated Vietnam veteran nurse who served as an operating room nurse in the 12th Evacuation Hospital in Cu Chi, Vietnam during the height of fighting in 1967. She is also a therapist and the author of Women Under Fire: Abuse in the Military and the sequel, Women Under Fire: PTSD and Healing. Sarah decided that if there was ever a war and she was single, that she would enlist as a military nurse. She talked to a number of different recruiters and ended up enlisting in the Army. She was trained as an operating nurse at Letterman General Hospital in San Francisco, which was her first experience with Veterans from Vietnam. She began hearing their stories and witnessing their pain and healing, which shaped her Vietnam experience.
Segment 2: A Loss of Faith.
Sarah was flown to Vietnam and got her orders to be a nurse at the 67th Evacuation Hospital, but ended up switching with someone and going to the 12th Evacuation Hospital in Cu Chi. It was a desolate area. She was allowed a few days to get situated and Òmake a space for herselfÓ before going to work in the operating room. She quickly became a trauma nurse, as the hospital was situated where all the fighting was taking place and was the largest user of fresh blood. Emotionally it was very disturbing. Over time it had a detrimental effect on her spirituality. She couldnÕt believe the Divine would allow something so horrible to take place.
Segment 3: Their Minds and Hearts Were Still Injured.
Sarah eventually experienced a breaking point and in order to get through her tour as a nurse she imagined building a thick brick wall around her heart. She was so successful with the wall that all her memories of the 2nd half of her tour are not in color; they are in tones of brown.
When she came back to the U.S. she was assigned to a hospital in Tacoma, Washington. She began noticing that the wounds the soldiers experienced were not healing the way they should be healing. She realized the wounds werenÕt healing because the soldiersÕ minds and hearts were still injured. That was the impetus for her to become psychotherapists. She first became an intuitive healer, and although she didnÕt have any formal education, she did the work helped a lot of veterans. Ultimately she went back to school and studied psychotherapy in college and graduate school. She learned about trauma, how it affects people and how to help heal it.
Segment 4: National Pride and Past Trauma.
In 1996 she became part of an organization called Peace Trees, and traveled to Vietnam to plant indigenous trees on the land that was destroyed by the war. Sarah was the only woman veteran on the trip. They first removed all the live land mines out of the land so the area was safe for Vietnamese children. The goal of the trip was to highlight the devastation done by America, and then plant trees to beautify the area. The area is now a grown forest called Friendship Forest. At the end of the trip she went back to the area she had been stationed in during the war. She visited the tunnels that thousands of Vietnamese people lived in. Although very traumatic, she experienced a tremendous spiritual healing and a heart opening as well. She realized there was no difference between the Vietnamese and the Americans. They both had national pride as well as past trauma from which to heal.
Tags: Sarah Blum, war, PTSD, military abuse, Vietnam war, Vietnam vets, Vietnam, peace trees, friendship forest, 12th evacuation hospital, women under fire, healing from war
01/30 : 01/30/14 Civil Rights, Victim's Rights, and Stories of Reconciliation - Sheryl Wilson
Repairing the Harm with Victim-Offender Dialogue
Segment 1: Civil Rights and Restorative Justice Movement.
On this edition of The Doug Noll Show we are speaking with Sheryl Wilson: practitioner, trainer and educator in restorative justice for over a decade. Sheryl has had the honor of working with individuals from around the world in her practice and is currently writing a book that explores the links connecting the Civil Rights Movement to the Restorative Justice Movement.
Sheryl’s knowledge and study of the Restorative Justice process goes back over 20 years. As a student under Mark Umbreit, she took a workshop and knew immediately that Restorative Justice was the direction she wanted to go in. She began to incorporate restorative dialogue in her work, whether it was in her then-current career or her volunteer work. Mark took her on as a protégé and she began facilitating community mediation and witnessing reconciliation cases. Sheryl has learned that there are moments when you have to allow silence, and just trust the process.
Segment 2: Repairing the Harm.
Defining Restorative Justice is difficult, but Sheryl’s quick definition is: repairing the harm that crime or wrongdoing has created. It’s about putting the situation, the community, and the people involved in a different and better place than before the conflict occurred. There is a lot of prep work that goes into a RJ session, and a big part of the prep is managing expectations. Sheryl’s goal is to make the players on both sides aware of what they might expect in a session and the key elements that are on the table.
Segment 3: The Victim Offender Mediation Movement is Not Going Away.
Doug tells us that Fresno was the birthplace of mediation and also the birthplace of three strikes, which is a striking paradox. Sheryl’s experience with judges and prosecutors has been mostly positive regarding Restorative Justice. However, she’s currently working with a woman from Michigan who has asked to meet her offender. The victim did not know how to precede with a meeting, so she reached out to Sheryl for help. Sheryl approached the Michigan government, including the State Attorney’s office, but they rejected the idea of victim-offender contact. “No contact” between victims and offenders is very staunchly imbedded in their system. Sheryl is starting a ground roots movement to ask Michigan to change their policies and allow victim offender mediation. She believes that this type of movement is not something that is going away. It makes great economic sense and is going to become more commonplace in the future.
Segment 4: Tell Their Stories.
Southern Truth and Reconciliation (STAR) works primarily with organizations that are seeking to do some Truth and Reconciliation (TRC) projects in terms of racial violence that has occurred in some of these communities in the past. STAR partners with communities for projects and outreach programs, which speaks to Sheryl’s passion exploring the Civil Rights Movement. In fact, her first love, as an African American, is researching the Civil Rights Movement and learning how those events shaped her own life and the lives of her parents. Restorative Justice is trying to put a name to the harms that were done and a name to the reconciliation process. Sheryl’s goal with her book is to research and interview larger-than-life figures, like Andrew Young, listen to them, record their stories, and begin the healing process.
Tags: Sheryl Wilson, victim offender dialogue, restorative justice, Civil Rights, STAR, truth and reconciliation, peacemaking, conflict resolution
01/23 : 01/23/14 Restorative Justice: How Simple Dialogue Can Transform Lives - Janine Geske
Segment 1: The Desire to Be Heard.
On this edition of The Doug Noll Show we have Distinguished Law Professor at Marquette University and Director of the Law Schoolâ��s Restorative Justice Initiativeâ��s Janine Geske. During her renowned career Janine has served as a Visiting Professor of Law at the Catholic University of Leuven, Belgium, interim dean of Marquette Law School, and a Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice from 1993-1998. Prior to becoming a judge, she served as chief staff attorney for the Legal Aid Society of Milwaukee and then as clinical director and assistant professor of law at Marquette University.
Janine tells us that her Marquette students are very passionate about the Restorative Justice Initiative. Once she is able to get people to understand what RJ is, they fall in love with the process. Her students feel privileged to journey with a victim and find a different way to deal with harm and conflict. The RJ process changes their outlook on life and what they do after they graduate.
Janine and her colleagues also do prison work where theyâ��ve been running a program for 15 years in a maximum security prison. They take 25 high-end offenders serving life sentences and bring them together with victims (but not the offendersâ�� actual victims). The two groups sit in â��circlesâ�� for 3 full days, during which they go from building community in the room to having an understanding of how the crimes hurt the victims to everyone telling their stories and doing activities together. Itâ��s a very spiritual and transformative experience for all involved.
Janineâ��s main take-away from this work is that everyone has the desire to be heard and understood, and that simple dialogue can transform relationships.
Segment 2: There Will Always Be Grief.
In additional to her work in prisons and Marquetteâ��s Restorative Justice Initiative, Janine has a caseload of victim-offender dialogues that she and her coworkers facilitate. These meetings are always at the victimâ��s request, and the minimum prep time is at least six months. Itâ��s a personal journey for the survivor and the offender to go back in time and process their feelings about this terrible incident. The victims decide what they want to ask and what they want to resolve. The meetings are incredibly powerful. It becomes a flow of dialogue between two individuals, and Janine does not interfere. Itâ��s unbelievable for most of us to think that someone whose child was murdered can sit within feet of the offender. Janine stresses that there will always be grief, but often the victims find themselves in a more peaceful place and with an opportunity to move forward with greater ease.
Segment 3: The Circle.
Wardens who have sat in during the process have been impressed. They tell Janine that they notice a change in the offenders who have participated in the circle for three days. Janine looks at RJ in a broad sense: through the lens of harm, and not just crime. She and her colleagues have facilitated RJ peace circles with high school sports teams to explore un-sportsmanlike conduct, and with racial profiling cases, and with medical malpractice, and much more. The facilitators first need to just get the two sides to meet, and then reassure them that it is a safe environment meant to start a dialogue. Itâ��s not particularly touchy-feely. Many victim advocates fear the process, as if the victims will be re-victimized. Sometimes itâ��s difficult to get past the advocate to see if the victim is even interested in exploring the process.
Segment 4: Lawyer to Peacemaker.
Janineâ��s students tell her that they practice law differently because of going through her program. There are many little victories throughout the process, and peopleâ��s lives are forever changed. Janine believes if we can improve the way we react, and lawyers can become peacemakers and problem-solvers, then the Restorative Justice Initiativeâ��s teaching will be successful. To learn more about Janine Geskeâ��s invaluable work, visit http://law.marquette.edu/rji/.
Tags: Janine Geske, restorative justice, peace circles, peacemaking, conflict resolution, Marquette University